Health and safety with in the emergency services can not be applied as if they were a normal service or you end up with tragedies like this one in Scotland
Makes you wanted to get hold of some one and shake some sense into them.
Very difficult for me to comment on that awful story without swearing to be honest.
She should of been rescued and the memo ignored. How must the firemen feel, especially the ones who wanted to get down to her. She should of been rescued and the person opposing to the rescue pushed down the pit themselves.
Post by andymacdonald30 on Mar 3, 2010 22:14:24 GMT
I agree with the above comments in full
As a union H and S coordinator I see similar things on a regular basis
It is mad that some plonker who probably sits in an air conned office reading various memos from equipment manufactures can make a decision like this I recon the memo read something along the lines of “ Only trained personnel should be allowed to use this equipment” so there for the decision was automatically upped to absolutely ” no use by non trained persons” (just to be on the safe side) in case he could have been sued if ever an accident was to happen
Most H and S regs are mis understood by the public and many thick bosses who take guidance notes as gospel and implement it regardless of the possible consequences
IE conkers are banned in schools Rubbish It was an individual headmaster who took unilateral action on the matter just in case a kiddie hurt its fingers
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Like you Andy I bet it was a pen pusher in the office that made the decision fearing they could be sued, thats why I think the Government should make the emergency service's exempt from the H/S regulations so they can't be sued by these no win no fee Vultures.
There is an article by an ex SAS officer here that sums up how I think most people feel about this, it's a pity he is not in charge of the emergency services.
I was a rock climber and mountaineer for about 25 years until I got too old and the youngsters started overtaking me. I had no formal traing nor did any of the other lads and lassies in the club. We took each situation as it came, assessed the risks, took whatever steps were necessary and all came back home tired but happy. Health and safety? What's that?
We had a young schoolteacher come to us who had a Mountain Leadership Certificate. We let her out on a loose rein to see how she performed and at the end of the day told her to tear up her certificate and get some real experience. She wasn't unsafe, but seemed to think that, if the going got tough, she could wave her certificate about and that would be alright. I would rather have been stuck on a mountain in a dangerous situation with almost any of the lads than that particular lady with her certificate. No I am not a chauvinist, If the girls are competent, I don't have a problem.
It really appals me that someone was allowed to die because of an edict from some bod who probably did not understand the situation. It appears that the Senior officer on the ground stopped the rescue operation. Surely, as they had been made aware of the situation, the correct gear and the personnel to operate should have been available.
In Leicestershire. we have a large number of worked out, disused quarries. Many years ago, a youngster had climbed down into a waterfilled quarry and had managed to get stuck on a ledge about 60ft down. A member of the club who was a senior officer in the local fire brigade phoned round a few of the members to ask us if we would turn out to effect a rescue. Six of us arrived with all the gear and had secured a strong belay point for the abseil ropes and were on the point of descending when the fire brigade turned up. The chappie in charge ordered us off the site as we were not trained to do abseils and rescues. He then directed 4 firemen to hold the rope and let one of their members down the face of the quarry. Not one of the firemen involved was belayed and they could have gone over the edge at any time. With this scenario in mind, we made ourselves scarce. It was obvious that they were making it up as they went along whereas we had a definite plan based on past experience and could have had the youngster safe in about ten minutes. It took over half an hour to get the fireman down to the victim because he was "bricking it" as the saying goes.
Well This all boils down to Insurance and the Americans yes them they started this with solicitors and people getting sued for anything hence the story of the school banning sports day because its insurance would not cover it and they were scared of getting sued by a parent by one of theses no win company's thank god the government is well going to look at it and has put up a website for people to post all the silly stuff going on . My firm is having a Extension built the builders turn up at 7.00am not to work but for a two hour Health and safety meeting Every day if we all did every thing by the Health and safety Nothing would get done ooo sorry your trapped but we can't help until the Health and safety say you can come out and we have done a Risk easement first
What is this country coming to Nanny State or What